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Ssj2 teen gohan had rage boost no?
Yes 10 (58.8%)
No 7 (41.2%)
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Ssj2 teen gohan had rage boost no?
Topic Started: Nov 16 2016, 05:18 PM (2,204 Views)
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Did gohan have a rage boost on top of the rage boost that got him to ssj2 against cell? Do most people say yes or no?
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

I think he did. It's the only way to explain the inconsistency in the 2x power boost as suggested by Super Exciting Guide. Gohan was undoubtedly stronger than 2x.

In addition to this, I don't know what guide it was, but it was suggested that Gohan's noticeable decrease in power when he transforms at the Tenkaichi Budokai against Kabito was because he lacked rage; not necessarily because he was actually weaker.
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It's pretty much stated he did, so yes.
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I see no reason for why he would. His rage boost seemed to be Super Saiyan 2.
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His rage boost manifested as SSJ2.
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I think this is the statement that the people who say yes refer to?

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”

For those who say no what do you make out of that?
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No, I don't think he stacked rage boosts. When he went Super Saiyan 2, he got twice as strong like he's supposed to. He only further increased his power when he killed Cell.
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Gohan's "rage boosts" have always been quick, fleeting things, and I don't see why one would suddenly manifest as a sustained amount of extra power on top of Super Saiyan 2. The numbers don't really require it, either.

I think the only time Gohan's emotions boosted his powers above normal during the Cell Games were 1) the initial outburst that pushed him up into Super Saiyan 2 to begin with, and 2) his final push in the Kamehameha clash with Cell, which was said in a few sources to be his "greatest power yet" or something like that.
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

If we go by official multipliers, Gohan's "rage boost" would've only been 2x, which is garbage compared to his previous boosts.

And to think that Gohan was more or less even in SSj with (unpowered up) Cell.
When he went SSj2, Cell powered up to his limit (close to 2x likely), and Gohan absolutely annihilated him with two blows. At an equal level, he wouldn't be able to pull that off.

The only explanation is that he gets a rage boost stacked on top of SSj2.
SSj2 actually somehow allows him to sustain that overflowing ki for an extended period of time, and we've heard about Gohan's SSj2 being unusually aggressive, therefore there's something different about his SSj2.
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His rage boost was him turning ssj2. The SEG 2x boost may make it a bit inconsistent, but I don't see any evidence that there was a rage boost on top of the already existing ssj2 boost.
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Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…


Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…


Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…I’ll pin Babidi down. After that, if you can manage to defeat Dabra, then Babidi’s scheme will be completely wiped out! So then! Now’s the time to get angry, like Goku said! Get angry and show me your true power! Gohan, peace is almost at hand!”


This all comes after Gohan has already shown off his Super Saiyan 2 transformation, and makes the point that him being angry against Cell was what allowed him to be as powerful as he was back then (his "true" power), not the transformation itself. Which he can already use.

This is even pointed out to Kibito, that Gohan has at some point shown a considerably more impressive power than he had any time previously—probably when he got kind of angry at Boo's egg—which involves the power he had shown directly to Kibito at the tournament.

Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.


Rage + Super Saiyan 2 > Super Saiyan 2. Therefore, Super Saiyan 2 ≠ Rage boost.
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Rage boost = SSj2 doesn't even make sense because the entire point of Goku's plan was to use Gohan's unique (until Super...) rage boosts to beat Cell. Transformation out of rage isn't unique to Gohan though, in fact rage was literally considered necessary to transform into Super Saiyan in the first place, and Goku was the first on to do it, while Gohan at the time, was the last one.
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Nov 26 2016, 07:13 PM
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…


Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…


Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…I’ll pin Babidi down. After that, if you can manage to defeat Dabra, then Babidi’s scheme will be completely wiped out! So then! Now’s the time to get angry, like Goku said! Get angry and show me your true power! Gohan, peace is almost at hand!”


This all comes after Gohan has already shown off his Super Saiyan 2 transformation, and makes the point that him being angry against Cell was what allowed him to be as powerful as he was back then (his "true" power), not the transformation itself. Which he can already use.

This is even pointed out to Kibito, that Gohan has at some point shown a considerably more impressive power than he had any time previously—probably when he got kind of angry at Boo's egg—which involves the power he had shown directly to Kibito at the tournament.

Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.


Rage + Super Saiyan 2 > Super Saiyan 2. Therefore, Super Saiyan 2 ≠ Rage boost.
Solid evidence, seems I've been proven wrong.
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Nov 26 2016, 07:20 PM
Rage boost = SSj2 doesn't even make sense because the entire point of Goku's plan was to use Gohan's unique (until Super...) rage boosts to beat Cell. Transformation out of rage isn't unique to Gohan though, in fact rage was literally considered necessary to transform into Super Saiyan in the first place, and Goku was the first on to do it, while Gohan at the time, was the last one.
Except, that at the time, SSJ2 wasn't considered a separate transformation, referred to as SSJ Grade 5 in whatever guidebook. Goku wasn't counting on a transformation... and after discovering Grade 2/3, he probably didn't expect there for be another useful stage beyond SSJ.


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Nov 26 2016, 07:13 PM
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…


Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…


Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…I’ll pin Babidi down. After that, if you can manage to defeat Dabra, then Babidi’s scheme will be completely wiped out! So then! Now’s the time to get angry, like Goku said! Get angry and show me your true power! Gohan, peace is almost at hand!”


This all comes after Gohan has already shown off his Super Saiyan 2 transformation, and makes the point that him being angry against Cell was what allowed him to be as powerful as he was back then (his "true" power), not the transformation itself. Which he can already use.

This is even pointed out to Kibito, that Gohan has at some point shown a considerably more impressive power than he had any time previously—probably when he got kind of angry at Boo's egg—which involves the power he had shown directly to Kibito at the tournament.

Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.


Rage + Super Saiyan 2 > Super Saiyan 2. Therefore, Super Saiyan 2 ≠ Rage boost.
...or... using SEG multipliers (really not a fan but whatever) as a reference point... without anger, Gohan couldn't reach his full x100. Maybe he transforms at the tournament by pushing himself to x60. <shrug>
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I think rage boost manifested itself as the SSJ2, as already said. Also, like said by Vertical, SSJ2 was just introduced in the Cell Games, so it's normal they'd not treat it as a new transformation, but rather, as Gohan's enranged powers. I also have a 4x boost for SSJ2, so no problems with it either.

Kaioshin saying Gohan didn't show all of his powers is already a bit messed up, unless you think Gohan was SSJ2 vs Dabura or that Kaioshin was referring to Gohan's KMHMH at Boo's shell, which I personally don't buy.
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